Insight Into Practicing Meditation with Sam Harris

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0myjoe

Are there any meditation sessions going on in london? And that’s excluding weed sessions

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TheWorldsStage

Christians tend not to like Buddhism since they know how much better it is then their religion. They hate the idea that not only can you have a moral structure without their religion, but you can also be massively more focused and relaxed.

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MrUnlimitedPotential

Ok, I see where you’re coming from…

Check out Ken Wilber RIGHT NOW on youtube..

Seriously… RIGHT NOW.. lol

If you’re the type that’s into the Now. watch some of his videos…or buy his books

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MonkeyMindSociety

Yes it’s very confusing stuff for the mind. It’s pretty much impossible to talk about. But it’s fun trying!

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squamish4244

You sound confused. Living these teachings is not as easy as reciting them to someone on YouTube.

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MonkeyMindSociety

If you look into it you will see that while you are having an experience the “I” is not present. It’s not until immediately after the experience that the thought arises about the experience. Therefore all experience is thought and all actual experience is pure experience without the “I” involved. You are aware of the “I” so then find what is aware of the “I”.

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MonkeyMindSociety

You cannot separate the person from their experience. There is only experience, not a person who is having an experience. All the experiences of freedom from fear and doubt are just thoughts. The fear stems from the assumption that the fear is real. I’m not having an experience anymore than you are. There’s just an experience happening. It’s actually that simple. The “I” isn’t there, never has been. There is nothing else except this, literally.

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squamish4244

Yes, I agree with you, this is the ultimate view, but it is not the *experience* of most people. The experience of freedom from fear and doubt and the knowledge of unity, which is intrinsic to the awakened state, is not the actual experience I have. Maybe it is yours, but not mine, and not that of most people.

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MonkeyMindSociety

The bases of your question is why aren’t more people enlightened. The answer is that everybody already is enlightened. What you call enlightenment is all you can ever be, there is nothing else. There is no individual there to make the individual realize this.

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squamish4244

Of course.  Yet the realization that everything is perfect just as it is does not come about so easily. As Adyashanti said to a woman encountering tremendous fear in meditation, “Did you think the ego was going to let go just like that?” And he is one of the strongest advocates of “you are already perfect” that I know of. If just hearing these teachings really worked, then why are so few people enlightened?

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MonkeyMindSociety

A person will get no result out of practicing being who they already are. It’s like a fish in the lake looking for water. The water is all it’s ever known but it can’t see it because it’s too busy looking for it. You don’t have to try to be fearless, fearlessness will happen once you realize the truth. All of these things will happen on their own, you’ll get no result out of trying to will them into being.

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MonkeyMindSociety

Yes an enlightened person can never honestly say he is enlightened. Why? Because who is it that knows he is enlightened? Enlightenment means total annihilation of the belief in ego. Yet it requires ego to know there is no ego. The best one can say is that every being is enlightened and that there is nothing to gain and nothing to lose. What you are this very moment is the totality of existence. You are aware of awareness and so nothing else needs to be done.

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MonkeyMindSociety

Grace cannot show you who you are. You are who you really are already. You already know you are aware. Knowing and awareness are the same and you are knowing/awareness. There is nothing to find. There is no thorn to remove. The idea that there is a thorn gives the illusion that it needs to be removed. The thought is the problem. When you aren’t thinking about problems the problems don’t exist.

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MonkeyMindSociety

All of these feelings, insights and perceptions are fleeting, they come and go. This means they are temporary illusions. Who you are never comes and goes and it requires no effort to be it. Even if you do not realize it you are perfect. There are no problems. The illusion of problems arise when you assume there is a problem and the reason you assume their is a problem is because you do not realize you are the totality of existence.

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squamish4244

I went through a similar situation myself in that when I first encountered the profound teachings on essential presence and Buddha nature I spent about a year walking around believing I was already enlightened. I felt great! Then a severe psychological crisis showed me I was anything but and had a lot of work to do. The Tibetan saying is that it is easy to meditate when you have a full belly and the sun on your back.

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squamish4244

It is true that all paths make use of the ego, and only grace can show you what you already are. But as the saying goes, it is like “using one thorn to get another thorn out and then throwing them both away”. Cases of instant awakening like Eckhart Tolle are very rare. I work with a healer who says he sees many clients who read nondual teachings and think they are being present, so he tells them to sit down and count to ten, and after a few seconds thoughts have already caught hold of them.

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squamish4244

Except that all the accounts of recognizing who you really are contain many similarities about tremendous shifts of perception, including a direct knowledge of deathlessness, fearlessness, a sense of vastness of being, that most of us do not feel upon hearing teachings alone. Only through extensive practice and purification have I experienced a subtle shift in perception that shows me such a way of being in the world is possible.

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MonkeyMindSociety

I respectfully disagree. What the seeker is looking for is what he is, literally. Any practice you use to try to find what you are only takes you away from what you are. There is actually no such thing as enlightenment. There is our true nature which some call awakening but in actuality there is nobody to awaken so it’s all false. It’s impossible to seek and find something you already have.

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squamish4244

I would argue the most powerful driving force of religion is not the fear of death, but the sense we all have that we are more than these bodies and minds. That sense of presence manifests in the extraordinary multitudinous forms of religion, a lot of it completely absurd, but then existence itself is no less absurd.

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squamish4244

The truth is you but you do need a path to practice. The “you are already enlightened” teachers are great but sometimes they fall short on emphasizing what you need to do to realize you are that. Otherwise we’d all spontaneously awaken upon hearing these teachings, which unfortunately is usually not the case.

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MonkeyMindSociety

God is a concept. The NOW is pure being, no concepts arising. The NOW, as you call it, cannot be defined or understood intellectually so why bother attaching such a heavy word like God to it? It just is what it is, nothing more. No need for the extra baggage.

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MonkeyMindSociety

Krishnamurti was a brilliant man. He was raised by religious fanatics and bred to lead their movement but realized that all religion, all institutional thinking was bullshit and disbanded the movement by announcing that their is no path to the truth as the truth is you. When lecturing he would define every term so that you understood exactly what he was talking about.

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mgp80

what is meditation? here deeply and thoroughly explained by j. krishnamurti. this is the real deal people! /watch?v=-DexS3BTDlA

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MrUnlimitedPotential

That’s my point. He isn’t an atheist. We are one with god, so therefore god exists. There is no separation. The NOW is where all of creation stems from. There is no reality except for the NOW. We are being guided…so don’t worry about it 😉

The facts are: Ken Wilber was able to literally power down his brain, while keeping full awareness, to experience the ever present NOW in it’s fullest form
It actually can be very helpful when you realize that you are the witness to your brain’s thoughts

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kklaus6154

Ken Wilber is another great, in my book. Though he isn’t atheist. He has some of the most backed up research for everything he talks/writes about. As well as his OWN research practicing meditation. I can’t stand the new age ‘guru’ “power of now” “law of attraction” bullshit. I want to know more about facts, and practice, and why I should follow suit.

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